and their so-called the high against the world, to train fighters how to do that. those are their objectives. as far as what the french are bringing to the fight, i think this intervention, however necessary, the french were not able to bring to bear the forced that perhaps their grandfathers' would have under the same circumstances. the required health from great britain and canada and ultimately the united states for airlift, refueling help from the danes, now the u.s. will help to fuel the airplanes. certainly there's european investment that is telling appeared that will be the real question. having retaken timbuktu and ultimately two other towns, how the french and african countries are even more poorly resourceful. the topography is a little different from the analogy you mentioned, but there will be a garrison surrounded by a vast expanse which is controlled by the enemy. that will be really telling especially if once the rainy season begins in just eight weeks in mali. and you cannot move in supplies host: overland let's listen to secretary of state hillary